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Diversity, inclusion and challenging perception …with Chair of Urban Land Institute: Vanessa Hale

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​From food science graduate to property industry female role model. Vanessa Hale reveals how she’s changing the industry from the ground up.

"I have a tenacious appetite to learn… when I was a kid I wanted to be the President of the US. I have a wider view of the world and I want to aspire people to make things better."


In this episode of devcast…Andrew Deverell-Smith, founder and CEO of deverellsmith, is joined by a woman of many hats; Director of Research at BNP Paribas Real Estate UK, Chair for the Urban Land Institute, active member of the Society of Property Researchers and Master of Food Science graduate, Vanessa Hale.

Originally from Chicago, Vanessa hails from a non-traditional property background. Her parents didn’t come from the real estate business and she began her career in the consumer research market. Attracted by the versatility that the industry had to offer Vanessa is now one of the most respected female leaders in property.

Throughout this fascinating interview, Vanessa and Andrew discuss the USA property market vs. the UK, Vanessa’s passion for diversity and inclusion, research and community projects and the key to her success.

This is an essential listen for any property industry professional who is eager to change the industry’s reputation for the better.

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