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Why are real estate finance candidates not moving for money anymore?

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I'm Joseph Morris, and I head up the accounting and finance division at deverellsmith, where I've been for just over a decade. On our latest devcast podcast, I sat down to talk about what's really driving talent movement in the finance market in real estate right now. 

Between candidates who are no longer prioritising salary, a widening gap in commercial skill sets and the arrival of AI in finance functions, hiring looks different to how it did a couple of years ago.  

What is driving the real estate finance market right now? 

Candidates are reticent to move unless they are certain and comfortable with the move they're making.  

It has become far less about whether somebody can earn an extra five or ten thousand a year.  

What talent is considering instead is: 

  • Company culture, and whether they can genuinely learn from the people above them 

  • The progression they can see in the business 

  • The long-term vision, and whether they can see themselves still being there 

  • Whether there is job security for the next three years 

If a business feels volatile, or there's an element of risk attached, people simply aren't going to move. The companies in 'growth mode' are currently driving the market. The businesses investing, the businesses being seen to be active in the market, and the businesses with a vision and a story that people can genuinely buy into. 

Which sectors are hiring finance talent? 

The commercial arm is where the activity is. Certain aspects of commercial are very busy. Industrial, logistics and storage in particular are a huge growth area at the moment, largely because there is less complexity compared to residential development for example. 

The housebuilding sector has been through its challenges, and I suspect that will continue for a little while yet. Across the residential space, build to rent remains a strong choice for employees and student PBSA is a fruitful option. It's a mixed picture overall rather than a uniform one. 

Where is finance talent hardest to find? 

Anywhere you need somebody genuinely analytical. 

The shortage sits with people who have a commercial mindset. The ones who understand that the work they're doing is going to drive key decision making for the business, who can see what the investment looks like, what the development team are doing, and how what they do has a knock-on impact on those people. 

What we're seeing is a lot more focus on finding commercial, analytical, commercially minded accountants rather than those who are simply reporting. That distinction is where most of the difficulty in hiring currently sits. 

Should finance professionals be embracing AI? 

Yes, and it sounds generic to say it, but it's the one skill people aren't investing in for themselves enough of. 

The opportunity is using it to make yourself more efficient and better at your job, and learning from it as you go. The candidates I see getting the biggest wins are the ones embracing it rather than avoiding it. 

However, there's a danger of becoming over-reliant, of relying blindly on what these tools produce and hoping it's correct. It has its flaws and it makes mistakes. As long as you stay vigilant and use it to make yourself sharper rather than to replace your own judgement, it's one of the most straightforward ways to get a step ahead right now. 

How can companies compete for the best finance talent? 

A lot of it comes down to how you come across in the interview process, and this is the point I'd most want businesses to take away. 

Job specifications are hard to differentiate yourself with. Websites and similar are just as hard to separate from the competition. The interview, on the other hand, is the most underutilised selling point available to any business hiring. 

Rather than going into a meeting and grilling the candidate about what they can and can't do, there is far more value in going in and saying: this is our story, let me tell you about our business, let me tell you about where we're going, and let me tell you how I got here and what I like about working here. Use the interview to sell the business to the candidate. 

People often forget that an interview is a two-way street. It isn't just about getting a candidate in and working out whether they're right for the role. It's very much the other way around too. 

What has happened to finance salaries and bonuses? 

Salaries went through a period of climbing significantly, and very quickly, post-COVID. With inflation running incredibly high at the same time, that put real pressure on wage rises, and people were having some uncomfortable conversations about what increases they should be getting. That has plateaued a little now. 

Bonuses are more hit and miss. A lot of companies are still paying them, but it depends on which industry sector you're in. Some areas have been hit harder than others over the last two years, and those businesses have unfortunately had to pay slightly lower bonuses than people might have expected previously. As a company, as long as you're transparent about why, you're fine. 

On where the biggest jumps are happening, it's the mid to senior market. Financial controller, head of finance, and across FP&A at manager and head of level. That's largely because the FP&A skill set demands exactly the commercial mindset I mentioned earlier, understanding what the numbers mean from a commercial standpoint. There are fewer people able to do that job, so it's simple supply and demand, and they're being paid more money. 

What has changed about candidate expectations? 

There's still an expectation of some flexibility to work from home, but the needle has moved. Where roles were commonly three days in the office, four is increasingly the norm, with roles becoming a little more office based. 

Alongside that, we're seeing a significant talent shortage in certain areas, which has left genuine gaps across the industry. 

On keeping talent, so much of it comes down to culture. Can the manager be transparent and avoid overpromising? Don't tell somebody they're going to be promoted in a year's time if that isn't a feasible opportunity in the business. 

Just as importantly, hire people whose ambition and skill set match your business. Don't bring in somebody on a steep trajectory towards being an FD within three years if that facility doesn't exist. You may be better looking at a different profile of person who values different things in their day job, and you can reward them and keep them happy in different ways. 

Which skills will matter most over the next 12 months? 

A proper grounding in the fundamentals. 

The people in highest demand are those with a great core understanding of what's being done from an account's perspective. Talent who has gone through strong training routes, their ACCA or their ACA, and genuinely understand the fundamentals of accounting. When you strip back a system, or a system doesn't do what it's expected to do, those people are still able to do their day job. 

There's an over-reliance on systems in some finance functions, and the question nobody asks is what happens if that fails you. Are you suddenly going to melt down, when a business can't afford to shut down for a week or however long the system is playing up? 

That's particularly relevant right now, because more and more companies are moving systems currently, to more efficient ones, and that is never a smooth journey. 

How do we support finance teams in real estate? 

It varies entirely depending on what a business needs, which is rather the point. 

  • Some businesses are small enough that we do something ad hoc. We place one person with them, and they may not need our help again for a few years 

  • Others have a journey to go on, where we support them well beyond finance and into other areas of the business 

  • Our team covers everything from junior accounts assistants through to CFOs. I cover senior appointments - heads of finance, FD and CFO roles - the rest of the team cover part qualified and qualified, and interim and contract roles that mirror those levels 

  • That means we have solutions whether a business needs short-term support, a long-term hire, project work, or a cluster of hires that make up or grow an entire team 

Over ten years at deverellsmith I've watched businesses go from being really, really small to large companies with recognisable faces in the industry. What makes that possible is being honest and transparent about what they need at that time, rather than trying to push and sell as much as humanly possible at an early stage. Being an advisory business, giving honest advice about what they need, what they could look like in 12 months and what challenges they're going to face, so that they trust us with their business in the future. 

Frequently asked questions 

Why aren't finance candidates in real estate moving for higher salaries? 

Because security and progression now outweigh a modest pay increase. Candidates are assessing culture, what they can learn from the people above them, and whether the business will still be a good place to be in three years' time. 

Which finance roles are hardest to fill in real estate? 

Anything requiring a genuinely commercial, analytical mindset. Businesses want accountants who understand how their work affects investment and development decisions, rather than people who are purely reporting. 

Where are finance salaries rising fastest? 

In the mid to senior market, particularly financial controller, head of finance and FP&A roles at manager and head of level, where the commercially minded skill set is in short supply. 

How much office time do finance roles in property require? 

The expectation has shifted from around three days a week in the office towards four, though some flexibility to work from home remains standard. 

Should finance professionals be using AI at work? 

Used well, it makes people more efficient and is one of the clearest ways to get ahead. The risk is over-reliance and accepting outputs blindly, so vigilance and a solid grounding in the fundamentals still matter. 

Listen to the full episode 

Hear the full conversation with Joseph and Kylie on the devcast podcast. Whether you're looking to get hired, or looking to hire, we've got you covered. Never miss an episode. 

About the podcast guests 

Joseph Morris | Head of Accounting and Finance, deverellsmith 

Joseph heads up the accounting and finance division at deverellsmith and has been with the business for over ten years, specialising in heads of finance, finance director and CFO appointments across real estate. He has supported businesses from their earliest hires through to becoming established names in the industry. Connect with Joseph on LinkedIn or email joseph.morris@deverellsmith.com.

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